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Sabro, you know I'll answer anything you ask or tell you that I can't. I didn't see this until just now. I'd like you to show me where I said these guys shouldn't go to prison though--I honestly don't remember saying anything like that. Now i'll read your article and then answer you--if I can't, I'll say so.

Kind of unfair asking a question about insanity don't you think but I'll tell you what I think. First of all the professors are at fault along with the administration for not acting on or reporting the problems with this boy. They should all be called on the carpet because to me they're have the guilt as much as he does. They had a hand in not only destroying the girls life but also his. Here legally or illegally he should be evaluated in a lockdown situation. If insane, return him to his country and given over to the athorities there. If competant to stand trial, go to jail and then deport--period.

BettyW-

I apologize. You have always been generous and upfront with your answers. I too will answer and always have answered whatever question you pose to me... which is why the quote of yours really bugged me. It really did seem as if in the middle of an exchange with Kats, you are accusing me of hearing only what I want to hear and I object to that.

Kats suggested that we somehow get rid of those "deportables" in our jails. This is one example of why we don't want to deport criminals before trial and before they have paid their debt. Deporting this guy to Belize will almost certainly set him free. He has committed no crime as far as I know, under the jurisdiction of anyone in Belize and is facing no charges there. We can't compel them to charge or even imprison him if we convict him. All in all, Kats suggestion is vague and unrealistic.

It was in the midst of this that you seem to imply that I am ignoring something and being selective with my hearing. I took that to mean that you were somehow in agreement with Kats and her solutions. To clarify my point, I have found a current, high profile case that illustrates why we have so many of these deportable aliens in our jail. So that I am sure to hear you, I am asking how you and Kats would apply those "solutions" in this case. This is a practical application of what otherwise is just rhetoric.

Does that make more sense?

Sabro, Sometimes I find I'm a little more busy than other times. Sorry if a delayed response gives an impression that "if you don't say what they want to hear then they just don't hear"... @ respond. Still, rereading BettyW's post might be in order since I don't think that was what she meant when she first posted it.

The first statement is in regards to the student Damon Thompson from Belize who stabbed another student. I will say I think BettyW was right on with her answer, I agree with it.
When I said we should deport inmates it was in direct response to the sheriff himself saying that 1/4 of all inmates WERE deportable. That doesn't mean ALL are deportable. Crimes that fall under "deportable" were not spelled out in that article. The way I'm interrupting it is rather those that are perhaps convicted on drugs charges, maybe domestic violence, robberies, gang activities, vehicle thefts etc are deportable. Please also understand I responded to Gemini's link so perhaps you should write the sheriff quoted in the link directly and tell him he is being "vague and unrealistic" in using a term like "deportable". I'm sure he will appreciate your input since you seem quite familiar with international laws, Belize's inpaticuliar.
In the Thompson instance he might be insane (sounds kind of like it) or he might be using that as a defense, I don't have enough information from that small article to know. Unless you can show where this is a deportable individual the application asking BettyW or me to "apply those "solutions" in this case" would be a moot point.

If I may toss in my nickel's worth--

I think what the Sheriff means by deportable, is that these criminals are here illegaly.

That is not going to change their crimes nor their punishment if/when they are convicted.

I think his point was that they shouldn't have been here in the first place. If they were not here, then they wouldn't have been able to commit the crimes.

valid point OldGuy.

Oh and sorry, I can't spell today. I meant "the way I'm interpreting it" not 'interrupting' it....Doh !!!

Sabro, that statement about hearing wasn't directed towards you but a general statement. Sorry you misunderstood but we all do that a lot I think. I understood what kats was saying but could tell that what she said was being ignored and changed into something else. As far as the instance you gave and asked what we thought,I answered that one. Are we good?

Anyone that is in jail and illegal is deportable. Anyone on a tourist or student visa who commits a crime is deportable. Anyone on a work visa... anyone who is in their first two years of residency is deportable. They are in LA County Jail either awaiting trial on felony counts or serving misdemeanor sentences. They arent given bail in general or are given high bails because they are usually flight risks. Someone else probably has a better source for this...

I think you misunderstand what the stat was saying. The people in LA county jail that can be deported includes all of those who are in jail and could be deported... some guilty of misdemeanors and some charged with very serious crimes. I was pretty stumped at why you would want to let people guilty of serious crimes just go home where they won't be charged and they won't serve sentences.

If it is just a misdemeanor charge or simple drug charge, they might have their names run and have the option of voluntary deportation or deportation hearing. I had an article about two sisters that were arrested for a school fight and now face deportation. Their mother also faces deportation when she showed up to the ICE detention center to pick them up. I believe it is the local District Attorney that has the option of sending them for deportation rather than filing charges.

BettyW we are fine. I don't like being dismissed... especially when I didn't ignore or misunderstand what she was saying. I just don't get it.

I don't know if this UCLA nut job is crazy or criminal... I just don't think he should be deported. Kats seemed to think that somehow we could make other countries try or jail people for crimes in our country. I don't believe we can. My example in this question was whether you and Kats think this Belize citizen should be charged or returned to his home country or whether we should continue to house deportable aliens like Mr. Thomas until they are tried for their crimes. I know it costs money... but really, I think it is a good use of our tax dollars- to punish criminals and incarcerate them.... and then to deport them when their sentences are served.

Thompson... not Thomas.

When I was at Banning there was a program... HI CAAP... that worked with the local officials to identify aliens in jails... As part of YAT-- we looked at the prospects of deporting school aged gang members whenever law enforcement picked them up for anything... even curfew violations. It turns out that you don't even need a conviction in most cases to get the deportation started... and except for a hearing before a judge... they have very little recourse.

This is nothing new. We used to identify illegals and notify the INS, now ICE.

They would rarely come and get them.

Back in those days, we couldn't keep them if they made bail or finished their county sentence.

From what I hear, ICE is getting better. If they place an immigration hold on them, they can't make bail and are held until ICE comes to get them.

I think jail time for crime then deport, thats for legal or illegal people here. In this particular case if the guy is decided to be mental then he should be sent back to his country--they can deal with him in whatever way they choose. Here we'll keep him for months/years in a hospital and then release him to the street--why go thru that--send him home.